Comments on: The Health Care Debate

By: carl

carl — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:18:03 +0000

Jeff is one of tens of thousands if not hundred of thousands in this situation. Almost one million Michiganders have left Michigan because of the terrible policies of the Granhom administration. All leaving with out health care. In 2007 Bush and the Rep tried to push a bill through that Americans could buy insurance from one of the 1700 companies in the U.S. crossing state lines but met up with the consistent road block… Democratic party. This would have enabled Jeff to keep his coverage until his new coverage kicked in. One thing has been consistent though with the Dems, if it is not government ran they will block it. So we either turn into a failed European style health care system or get enough conservatives elected and make REAL changes for the sake of people like Jeff.

By: Todd Porter

Todd Porter — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:22:05 +0000

Here is an interesting take on this debate from a fellow youth pastor friend of mine. http://jeffgreathouse.blogspot.com/2009/11/healthcare-talk.html

By: carl

carl — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:46:45 +0000

For info here is the Rep version of todays health care plan.
http://rules-republicans.house.gov/Media/PDF/RepublicanAlternative3962_9.pdf

I understand about BCBS, I have heard many bad stories about them. If we had state restrictions lifted and opened up more compitition that problem would go away. We would have over 1700 companies to choose from that exist in the U.S. today.

My in-laws are from Scotland, been in the U.S. about 45 years. My mother-in-laws father had a heart issue and was on a 5 month waiting list. It is sad but he only lasted 3 months. If he was in the U.S. he would have been seen in a week, with or with out insurance. The joke is UK has great health care as long as you are not sick.I can give more facts about the UK system if you want.

By: Todd Porter

Todd Porter — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:58:36 +0000

@Beth I have no idea, but I think that there should be some sort of pastoral group insurance. That would be nice.

@Carl We had an HSA before I got laid off from my dad’s company and I must say that I really liked it. Although Blue Cross still did their typical thing of rejecting every bill, like they did when we had normal insurance, which I could only figure was to get out of paying it and seeing how many people would just willingly pay it. So we still spent the same amount of time with them on the phone getting them to pay for what they said they would pay for.

I have some friends who lived in England and they have had nothing but good things to say about their system versus the American system. They have a government run system, but their is also a private element to it. I don’t know exactly how it worked, but they sure liked it.

By: carl

carl — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:34:49 +0000

Todd you are correct, the health care in the U.S. is broken. The broken part is affordability not the care, service and new technology that Americans receive. When world leaders and the worlds wealthy choose to come to America to get service one must know we have the best care. What is broke is the paying system. The question is how can a family like the one on MSNBC afford health care. Franklin(a joke) praised France and Germany as examples of system to look to for paying for health care. Well Franklin should get ALL his info correct as both countries are looking to private insurance holding because the socialistic system they have is breaking the countries. On a national stage we only have two system to choose from for change. The system the majority of countries are using, government ran or health savings account. George Bush and the conservative introduced HSA when they where in control. The party you voted for for president called it names and blocked the bill to come on the senate floor, killing the bill. Obama a fascist(by his voting record) wants a socialist bill. I could give you names and list of what is wrong with this idea if you want.

On to what the Christian should do. Well the Christian conservative been here and is doing health care Acts way. http://medi-share.org/ is just one of many organization like this. They all have different qualifications. I have not seen anything but moaning and groaning form the christian left. Wallis and the rest want the government option, thinking it will solve the problem. So as far as the as Christian conservative is concerned we tried but liberals obstructed and socialism is what they came up with. So can you, the christian left or secular left come up with any ideas without turning us into a third world nation please share. If not please get out of the way so we can take care of families like the video shows. Miss you FB posting : )

Carl

By: Beth

Beth — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:01:08 +0000

And how many churches don’t provide health insurance to staff?